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PostSubject: Roc On & colour   Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:07 pm

Do Perlino stallions throw colour with certain mares or is that only Cremellos?

Have a nice brown standie mare he'd cross well with, but hoping for colour (as in pally, buckskin etc).
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:28 pm

Hey there Bandicoot Smile

Okies, Perlino is a double dilute on Bay, Cremello is a double dilute on Chestnut.

Roc has a Bay and a Chestnut as well as being double dilute - with the Bay being dominant over the Chestnut, he is Perlino Smile

EVERY single foal that Roc sires will have ONE copy of the dilute gene from him, and either a bay or a chestnut gene from him.

So over a Brown/Bay mare you would guarantee a Bucky or if the mare happens to have a Chestnut gene there, and throws that at the same time as Roc threw a chestnut, then you would get a Pally.

Guaranteed dilute every time with him no matter what to - just depends if you get the bay base producing a bucky or the chestnut base producing a pally Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:34 pm

Ok, as soon as she finishes racing, she's gettin her rox on with the Roc! I'll let ya know. Is that natural service or AI?
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:44 pm

What about liver chestnut and blacks or browns? They tend to through burnt(dirty) buckskins. Have you experienced this with your boy shell?
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:01 pm

Natural service Bandicoot Smile We arent set up for AI yet unfortunately.

Well, you cant really guarantee the 'type' of buckskin you are going to get PH.....

A black mare, you would either get a bright buckskin, a black buckskin, or any other inbetween sort of buckskin OR a pally! Smile The advantage of a black mare is that you know she either has two black, or a black and a chestnut gene, so will depend which one she passes on.

A Liver Chestnut - you will either get a bucky or a pally.... any shade of either really......

Brown is the same as Bay chances wise - just doesnt have the agouti modifier that the bay does.....

What the agouti does is limits the black hair to the extremities......

A bay horse is a brown horse with agouti Smile Sort of.... lol....
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:41 pm

Oakies, Will let just that all sink in Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:19 am

With a bucky you would have a chance of either bay or perlino is that right?
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:49 am

Perlino stallion over Buckskin mare you would need to know if the mare has a chestnut gene at all?

If she does, you could get Bucky, Pally, Cremello or Perlino.

If she doesnt, you could get Bucky or Perlino Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:09 am

She is by a perlino out of a chestnut.
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:17 pm

my head hurts! Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:59 pm

Amen to that ^
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:24 pm

Ok, so shes by a Perlino out of a Chestnut....

That means she has one Bay gene, and one Chestnut gene (Bay covers Chestnut so you get a 'bay' horse), and then has the dilute gene on top (Perlino HAS to pass on one dilute gene to each of its offspring).....

So.....

With Roc.....

You have a 25% Chance of Bucky, 25% Chance of Perlino, 25% Chance of Pally,and a 25% chance of Cremello. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:54 pm

What about Honey??
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:15 pm

wat about if u put a bay mare to him thats by a chestnut mare an out of a grey stallion ??
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:37 pm

good chance of the above turning grey!
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:20 pm

ohk thanx !!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:22 pm

ohk thanx !!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:08 pm

Omg shell how do you know all this my head hurts and i never knew it was all so technical. i always thought it was pot luck hahaha Well ya learn something new every day thanks. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:22 pm

As they say... you learn something new EVERYDAY!!!!!!!!! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:01 pm

Ok, if the mare is Bay, it does not matter if her dad was grey... She DOES NOT have the grey gene, it is a dominant, ie if they have it it shows! It cannot be carried "hidden" So you can take any chance of a foal greying out of the equation if it's parents are not grey...grandparents don't matter!
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:26 am

so it wud b a buckskin or pally ??
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:23 pm

One or the other! lol need more generations of pedigree colour to say...even then chestnut can stay hidden.....for MANY generations...look at CB's 400 odd years and the odd chestnut purebred still pops up once in a blue moon!
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:09 pm

wikid !!! dad says MAYB. i will get 2 put her 2 Roc !!! cuz Dad wanted 2 put her 2 a thoroughbred stallion an get a racehorse bt its gonna cost 2 much rite nw so he sed mayb i cud get a foal outa her 1st !!! 1/2 QH an 1/2 TB !!
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:29 am

So from my limited studies from a bay when you put a perlino (Dble Cream) over her you are most likely to get a bucky.

Unless there is the random chestnut gene. When you may get a pally.

Where does the smokey black fit in?
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PostSubject: Re: Roc On & colour   Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:59 am

If one wanted to learn more about genetics, and colours what would be a good place to start... eg good books etc..??
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